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Wednesday, 5 March 2014
Hi
all, long delay since the new year as have been busy with renovating
my new house. Yes, even without a self we need mortgages and
somewhere to live too :) I still have a lot to do to my new house but
I am in need of a day off and thought I would give you no selfers,
and new explorers something to mull over.
This
simple test will show us where our feelings lie in what we believe
ourselves to be. If I were to ask you: “Are 'you' just a thought”?
You
would likely have a strong reaction to this question and you will
probably state that you are more than just a thought. Perhaps the no
selfers amongst you will chime in that there is no self and just
thoughts arising and passing. These answers are obviously something
that is known at a core level as your direct experience so far has
yielded this ontology.
Without going to far in depth, by ontology we
simply mean an inventory of what exists.
The no self ontology is
pretty much identical as it was before, except the self we think we
are is perceived as illusory. This ontology develops over time and is
in stark contrast to someone who has never questioned anything in
their lives. Sure, we can all revise our ontologies over time, a good
example of this is a scientist. In opposition we have the theist who
is committed to a fixed ontology that they cannot venture from.
Having
established that we have a personal ontology of what things exist,
and how reality is structured, we construct our own model of how the
world works through language and other concepts. We may hold certain
views that are correct or sometimes even plain daft.
I remember when
I was younger looking at the models of the atoms in the science labs.
They reminded me of a solar system and I often used to wonder if this
solar system was just an atom in a piece of matter in a much larger
world than our own. The earth then, was just an electron whizzing
around the nucleus endlessly. If our solar system was just an atom in
a world of giants, then each atom in our world was a solar system
inhabited by miniature life forms. Then of course, this would go on
ad infinitum either way until we got to microscopic and gargantuan!
Of
course this was a bit whimsical, but I always had such philosophical
inclinations from an early age and I used to marvel at what reality
was and even whether there was a god or not. We can all take a page
out of these childhood musings as it does emphasise the point I
wanted to make here.
At TS & RT we often used to bang on about
looking at direct experience, and that logic was superfluous to this
task. This is true to an extent, however, sometimes to break our
'beliefs' down it is worth looking at what our models yield. Very
often when we make fixed statements about the world it means we are
committing ourselves to some kind of position, or model that we have
constructed of the world.
Why
is this important?
This
is a power tool that Ciaran used extensively in his investigations
and it is worth outlining this as a point of leverage for gaining
some traction. To use a metaphor, we can imagine that each ontology,
or model of reality, is a pair of glasses through which we view the
world. We would notice that the view is different with each pair we
try on, and there are many to try out.
There are glasses that blur
your vision, tint your vision, or even bring something in to clarity
and focus. There is always an optician on hand to tell you which is
the best pair to view the world through, the corporate media
representative might be the slimy one trying to tell you not to take
off the ones that skew your vision completely.
Jokes aside, this
means that every time we hear an idea from someone else we should not
just nod along in agreement or take it at face value. The approach we
are using here requires a very different method to what we are used
to and the key point is this.
You
actually put on the glasses and look at what the world is like
through those lenses.
In
other words when presented with a new concept, what we want to do is
climb inside it and look at how the world would actually look if this
concept was true. This is in stark contrast to the usual way we go
about doing things which is trying to filter it through our own
prejudices and preconceptions.
Of course, were we to carefully
consider everything then we would have no time and we would have to
sift through a lot of BS that is presented to us everyday by the
media and various crackpots. In this sense our prejudices can be a
time saving measure and are indeed a useful mechanism. However, as
fair enquirers we need to focus on the minutiae of our ideas related
to our models of reality, and we do not accomplish this by dismissing
possibilities without evidence derived from direct experience.
You
may have come across this way of doing things before on Ruthless
Truth, but if you missed all that madness, here it is again because
this is one of the cornerstones of doing an investigation, and is one
of the most useful tools I have come across for exposing dishonesty
in your thinking patterns.
Have
a little faith
When
we first started using this tool it was to smash peoples arguments
apart with devastating counter arguments. Ciaran referred to this as
'faith'. He derived a whole new use for the word and reclaimed it
from the religious folk. Faith that is never put to the test was
viewed as worthless, and what we used to do is actually test no self
every day by putting it on the line. In this sense, what we were
doing was actually opening ourselves up to the very real possibility
that we were wrong.
This
was somewhat disconcerting. I have explored the mechanism of the
false self in a piece called 'Beggaring Belief' on this blog, where I
argued that we are driven to protect our belief structures, as our
brains perceive attacks on our model of reality as direct threats. Of
course, we can go out and test this out right now by fucking with
peoples belief systems.
A good one to utilise is one of the most
common ones among the older generation. Your parents will likely
believe it is important to have a strong work ethic and they might
utilise the old saying “You have to work for a living that is the
way the world is”. Try challenging that one (unless your family
live off benefits of course) by getting them to question why they
actually work and see how quickly it takes for them to get angry.
You
will actually see them get really angry about this because they have
never questioned these beliefs before and they are invested in their
routines.
If
you cannot be doing with the hassle, I am sure that the legacy of TS
and RT are sufficient proof of how people can cling to belief systems
even when they have been torn to shreds. In any case, the point is
that putting your beliefs on the line is not a very pleasant experience.
In that sense the process feels uncomfortable. However, this is
entirely the point.
It
is supposed to feel uncomfortable.
If
it feels uncomfortable then that means you are going about the
process correctly. What you need to do is dig deep in to your own
beliefs and ideas about the world and then trial them by fire.
So,
the question here is how do we do this?
This
all sounds well and good but how do we actually use this in a
practical way that yields results? Well this does not come without a
few tries but once you get the feel for doing this it will become
ingrained as a thought pattern which is what you want. Let us now
consider an example of using this process and show how we might go
about exploring a concept using this method I have outlined.
Going
back to our solar system/ atom ontology that I had as a fanciful idea
as a child, lets see how we can use this method to test it for
coherence.
Firstly,
what does the world look like through these lenses?
The
world appears as it is to us, yet there are midgets inhabiting a
miniature universe inside each object in our world - a mesa-universe.
Beyond the known universe in our world, we merely experience the
confines of an object that appears in a larger world, that we might
consider is a meta-universe, inhabited by giants.
What
if this were actually true?
If
it was true then there would be multiple layers of universe contained
within each other decreasing in size exponentially, and there would
be multiple universes beyond each layer increasing in size
exponentially. Both of these would have to proceed on ad infinitum,
and thus reality is infinite.
What
does this model suppose?
This
is the important part. What we have done is layed out the belief and
put it on the line. We have looked at what the world would be like
through these lenses and considered what it would be like if true.
Then we can start to check its integrity and find any weaknesses. For
example, how would we incorporate the phenomena of astrophysics such
as supernovas and cosmic rays in to this model?
Given that there are
multiple levels of reality, are the people within them them living an
identical reality to us, or an alternate reality? Given that the
nucleus of our solar system is 5600 degrees Celsius, surely that
would boil water in the giants world or vaporise the miniature solar
system?
We
can think of many more troubling questions for this ontology but the
main point to note is that we have cast doubt on our model. Of course
when utilising this principle for real, we would fill this list in
its entirety and try to work out every point that casts doubt on our
claim. Then at this point we can start to look at reality to see if
we can find any evidence in direct experience for these things.
Let
us now run through the question I started with at the top.
Are
'you' just a thought?
Lets
break it down a bit and look at some of the trajectories that arise.
There are two possible answers that you could give here and I want
you to take whichever one is the most agreeable to you.
If
we supposed for a minute 'you' were only a thought then we might ask
what does the world look like through these lenses?
If
I did not exist then I could not own any property is one answer I
could start with in my investigation. The house that I have been
renovating would be owned by nobody since this 'I' that owns it is
nothing more than a fantasy. Similarly, we could also say I am not
just a thought, and 'I' own my house.
What
if this were true?
Well,
this part is kind of like taking the red pill as if this were true
then nobody ever existed, or ever could exist to own property. On the
opposite side of the scales we have the idea that there are 'selves'
that have real existence and own property. This may seem counter
intuitive to question, but lets go to the next step.
What
do these models of reality suppose?
Here
is where we start to question what these models suppose as the
preconditions for them to be true. Here we need to get creative with
our thinking and try and actively find the conditions that support
either model. Given that we have an evolutionary model and the big
bang, one thing I liked to play with here, was the start from scratch
idea.
Given that before the universe there may have been a giant
black hole that exploded, we could imagine that there were two
particles that were not part of this black hole. Which one would have
ownership? We could take it from there, what if there were three,
what if one of them was conscious blah blah.
We could also use the
deity and suppose that god created the self, and thus property rights
are something real. This is uncertain and we would have to run the
process here again, so if god created the self what would be the
pre-conditions for this state of affairs. Then we go free will, blah
blah.
The
point is this can be a can of worms at times, but as long as we doing
this to expose our beliefs, we can take the results of these
investigations and then shine the light of truth on them by looking
in direct experience. The point is that we find the pre-conditions
and contingencies upon which our beliefs are based, and then we
subject these to intense scrutiny to see if they are coherent with
reality itself, rather than our other ideas.
In essence we are mining
away at our taken for granted thought patterns, and subjecting them
to intense scrutiny. This is how we start to yield the faults in our
assumptions and our own dishonesty.
There
are many other places we could take this. For instance, if 'I' was
just a thought, would you be able or unable to control your thoughts?
Would it logically follow, in this instance, that you could not
actually be separate from your thoughts?
This
is where we get to the point that we can start to test out how
cognition functions, and we can look at that. The possibilities are
seemingly endless and we just have to keep turning over rocks and
being systematic in our hunt for the truth. Whilst there is no
defining truth we can certainly discover uncertainty and that is the
main strength of this process. We use logic to dig out our
assumptions and presuppositions, and then we look for any evidence
that these are true in our direct experience. AKA: JFL (Just Fucking
Look).
In this way we are levering our mental faculties to find
inconsistencies in our thinking, and then trying to expose the lies
we have told ourselves all our lives by looking at them. This is a
powerful technique and it takes a bit of time to get the hang of but
it is well worth it. Kudos for Ciaran for setting it out originally,
I hope this working example gives you an idea of how it can be
utilised, and leveraged in investigations in to the self.
As
I say the possibilities are endless and you will find that this
becomes an established thinking pattern with continued use. Please
feel free to post any of your own ideas and musings in the comments.
I know this can take you to some wacky places and you might not want
to put this crazy stuff on display, but I think if you can can get
the hang of this and share some of the breakthroughs it may prove
useful to others who want to tread the same ground as you.
Till
next time...
GhO$t
Sunday, 21 October 2012
This is my
best attempt to explain no self and if you apply the instructions
given correctly you are 100% guaranteed to see the self as a
fiction*.
(*Honesty
available separately)
Metaphors
are a good way of pointing out features we have never noticed before
and there are plenty of good ones for no-self such as:
'There
is nothing that will attain and nothing that won't attain' (Buddha)
'Produce
a thought nowhere supported'
(Hui Neneg)
'Deny
the self' (Jesus)
And
of course the most simplistic one 'LOOK'.
However,
these alone seem to be insufficient just like many others collected
in the tomes of eastern philosophy and various ad hoc religions
throughout the centuries. The problem with the spirituality trip is
that people are mostly stuck trying to understand these
things.
They are actually pointers to guide the mind to seeing its true nature, yet some have been hijacked, Jesus is a good example of hijacked goods and there are a whole bunch of even more abstract metaphors such as 'What is the sound of one hand clapping?'
They are actually pointers to guide the mind to seeing its true nature, yet some have been hijacked, Jesus is a good example of hijacked goods and there are a whole bunch of even more abstract metaphors such as 'What is the sound of one hand clapping?'
It
all sounds deep and profound but really it just throws people off on
a wild goose chase. What it boils down to is people really want to
try and understand what these things mean, rather than actually LOOK
at what they are pointing to.
These represent a classic example of looking at the finger pointing towards the moon instead of the actual moon, to borrow another popular metaphor. One cannot see the wood for the trees quite simply, and this is really what we are dealing with when it comes down to some good old honest looking.
These represent a classic example of looking at the finger pointing towards the moon instead of the actual moon, to borrow another popular metaphor. One cannot see the wood for the trees quite simply, and this is really what we are dealing with when it comes down to some good old honest looking.
A
metaphor can strike right through and illuminate an insight that we
would previously have failed to see before. “Thunder and Sunshine”
actually freed a few people just from reading its pages, it was
written clearly and the metaphorical LOOK at real life has tipped a
few people in to reality.
So what is the fundamental feature of a metaphor that can be used to explain no-self? Quite simply you LOOK at what it is pointing at, just that one simple thing.
So what is the fundamental feature of a metaphor that can be used to explain no-self? Quite simply you LOOK at what it is pointing at, just that one simple thing.
We
like to think that we are the 'I' who does all the thinking and
controls the actions but when challenged, people often cannot find
this 'I'. They might say they cannot find it but they still hold the
belief “I am me” because the thoughts says so and a belief about
the matter cannot be seen through. Others still seem to cling to the
hope they are some kind of higher order entity that arises as a sum
of the mind and body, others still cling to the notion of a soul.
The
thing is, the sum of its part is simply a concept.
A car is a handy
conceptual reference to an items functional role but really the car
is just a name for a collection of components bound together to
realise a functional role. The car has no inherent existence, it is
simply a conceptual label that captures some coarse-grained facts
that are suitable for easy communication. We will focus on the
fallacy of identity another time but for now we can start to LOOK at
what is real.
Quite
simply, 'you' are a thought 'you' don't exist in real life. It is
only an illusion that you are the thinker and that you are
responsible for the agency of the body. 'You' is simply a pronoun
that refers to an imaginary character that the conceptual processing
of the mind points to.
Like the car, 'you' has no inherent existence above the sum of its parts. The thing is this is not difficult to see by any stretch of the imagination, it is the simplest of things to actually see this in real life.
Lately, many people have seemed to go round in circles, we keep saying LOOK but people take this to mean LOOK for no-self. There is no self to be found because it does not exist, but what you ARE looking for, is simply the recognition of what actually exists in real life.
Like the car, 'you' has no inherent existence above the sum of its parts. The thing is this is not difficult to see by any stretch of the imagination, it is the simplest of things to actually see this in real life.
Lately, many people have seemed to go round in circles, we keep saying LOOK but people take this to mean LOOK for no-self. There is no self to be found because it does not exist, but what you ARE looking for, is simply the recognition of what actually exists in real life.
To
characterise this, we can start to look in reality for what is true.
LOOK
at a table in your room, touch it, it is an object that exists in
real life.
LOOK
at the computer, touch it, it is an object that exists in real life,
but like our car we have attributed a convenient
coarse-detailed concept to describe the intricate workings of a
machine with a convenient labelling for communication.
What
is a college? Is it something real or does it have an existence above
the sum of its parts, or is it really a handy conceptual reference to
save us from having to describe all the buildings and all that the
place entails?
LOOK
at this picture:
Does
Spiderman exist in real life?
Clearly
not, but Spiderman exists as a fictional character. What we need to do is
discern fact from fiction here.
The self is a concept that maps over
our life but this is all it is. “You” is a fictional character
with no inherent existence.
As absurd as it sounds, all your drama related to your self image and what people think of you is
no more real than the adventures of Spiderman!
This is not something you
are required to comprehend or believe it is already true in real life.
All it
boils down to really is a belief that it is real when if you took the
time to LOOK at this one particular thing, you would see directly
that your identity is nothing more than a fiction. The self is no
more real than the water in the mirage, the physical phenomena that
support the illusion exist but in real life there is nothing there it
is simply a trick of the mind.
Take
a look at this duck.
OK,
it is just a picture of a duck, perhaps you are trying to get this
realisation of no self and you are struggling to see this. The thing
is, there is no self so how can nothing see nothing? It seems counter
intuitive to our experience to say there is no self but that is
simply because we always think we are looking when really we are just
going round in circles.
No-self cannot be seen because there is no self quite simply. How can something that does not exist LOOK to find no-self? This realisation is not a matter of seeing no-self it is a matter of finding out the truth, what really exists in real life? Is the thought 'me' just a thought, or does it point to something that really exists?
No-self cannot be seen because there is no self quite simply. How can something that does not exist LOOK to find no-self? This realisation is not a matter of seeing no-self it is a matter of finding out the truth, what really exists in real life? Is the thought 'me' just a thought, or does it point to something that really exists?
Take
a look at the picture of the duck again and now notice how it is a
rabbit.
It was there all the time but you just did not notice it.
Wittgenstein talked about aspect perception and noticing an aspect of
a particular thing. Really, this is all that is required to see no
self, it simply requires that you notice the aspect of what it really
is.
I cannot be more plain than this, it really boils down to seeing the illusory aspect of the thoughts that purport the existence of “you”.
In this example, we have an ambiguity that switches between duck – rabbit as your apsect perception shifts between the two. The point is that you cannot 'unsee' an aspect once it has been revealed to you. The recognition of the pattern is it all it takes to see no self, just this one thing.
I cannot be more plain than this, it really boils down to seeing the illusory aspect of the thoughts that purport the existence of “you”.
In this example, we have an ambiguity that switches between duck – rabbit as your apsect perception shifts between the two. The point is that you cannot 'unsee' an aspect once it has been revealed to you. The recognition of the pattern is it all it takes to see no self, just this one thing.
Of course, I used auto suggestion to get you to see the duck, having mentioned it as the title your brain was primed to focus on the duck.
So it is with the self, we are primed to default back in tour habitual thinking patterns without actually LOOKING, but convincing ourselves that we actually have. That is the simple problem one faces if they have not seen it, they simply have not LOOKED.
So it is with the self, we are primed to default back in tour habitual thinking patterns without actually LOOKING, but convincing ourselves that we actually have. That is the simple problem one faces if they have not seen it, they simply have not LOOKED.
Really
this is how simple it all is, just looking at real life. It is not complicated by any stretch
of the imagination it is simply a matter of noticing the illusional
aspect of the self.
Try this one, you may want to make it full
screen.
Just
a picture right?
Keep
looking, can you see any characters? What about animals? Kudos if you find the Apache Indian!
Give
it five minutes after you find as many as you can (there are loads). Then after short break try to look at the picture without seeing the characters and animals
and you will find it is impossible because you have already seen the
illusion, you cannot ever unsee it.
Appearances
can be deceptive, what you really need to do is focus on what is
there in real life and notice what really exists. That is all that is
required to see the truth, no conceptualising, no magic tricks, no beliefs, just
what is real.
What
is actually there in real life? It really is as simple as that it is not complicated.
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